Correspondence with Governments re radioactive substances The following correspondence shows that expensive government procedures, certainly those used by the Queensland and Australian Governments, for dealing with ministerial correspondence are totally unsatisfactory. Governments "answer" letters, but the answers lack logic, are off-topic, re-enforce bad departmental policy, contradict government policy and just waste time and money. It seems reasonable to conclude that poor Government correspondence is a manifestation of poor governance. There is no penalty and so Ministers, writers of "ministerials" and departmental secretaries are seemingly content with letters to the electorate and the business community, which would not pass any high school English test, because they failed to address the issues. The previous page gives some background concerning the technical issues of matters under discussion. However, except for the banal, none of the letters in reply contain any technical information. 1 from Jim Darley, 5 Dec 2000 2 from ARPANSA, 8 Jan 2001 3 from Jim Darley, 17 Jan. 2001 4 from Queensland Minister for Health, 23 Jan 2001 5 from Jim Darley, 31 January 2001 6 from Queensland Minister for Health, 6 March 2001 7 from Sen. Grant Tambling, 21 May 2001 8 from Jim Darley, 9 July 2001 Back to: information about uranyl acetate and depleted uranium |
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| Michael.Wooldridge.MP | copy to: | Ms Jenny Macklin MP |
| Minister for Health | Shadow Minister for Health | |
| Parliament House | Parliament House | |
| Canberra ACT 2600 | Canberra ACT 2600 | |
| and | ||
| The Hon. Wendy Edmond | copy to: | The Hon. Fiona Simpson |
| Minister for Health | Opposition Spokesperson for Health | |
| Parliament House | Parliament House | |
| Alice Street | Alice Street | |
| Brisbane 4000 | Brisbane 4000 | |
Dear Ministers,
Re: Radiation Health, redundant Permits and unjustifiable costs
Attached is a copy of a posting from our extensive and well-visited online catalogue. This posting relates the absurd situation that exists in the regulation of one of our traded products: uranyl acetate.
During recent years federal legislation was adopted to regulate uranyl acetate and other substances. I contend that considering the relative danger, the lack of any adverse incidents and the cost of the substance, which makes its waste and misuse unlikely, that there never were any reasons to regulated uranyl acetate and certainly never to such an extend.
Worse still, government departments have found permits a handy means of raising additional funds. The fees for uranyl acetate permits cannot be justified in any way in the context of current Department of Finance & Administration policy: that whenever possible, costs must be based on competitively based tendering. Also, the cost of any such permit should be based on marginal cost only and not an arbitrary figure attractive to the Department. I submit that our business provides for the cost of such a scarcely justifiable permit, hugely greater services to our clients.
Since the introduction of permits by the Federal Government, the Queensland Health Department has joined in to "control" uranyl acetate with various measures that to my knowledge are unique in the world. These measures make normal commerce of this item from within this State impossible and since no such legislation exists in other States, we have been placed in a disadvantageous position versus our interstate and incidentally foreign competitors. Frankly, we would rather not deal with the item at all, except that it is an essential item for our customers. If they cannot purchase the item from us, they will go elsewhere and of course purchase other items from that supplier too.
I have invited the Queensland Radiation Health Section to respond to my arguments and to show why these regulations may be required or how they can be justified. No such explanation has been received.
I regard the Queensland Radiation Health Section as totally irresponsible. They have advanced legislation that makes normal commerce of an essential substance impossible, they have not shown any need for that legislation, they seem to be more interested in raising additional funds for their Section and they have failed to provide any, let alone a meaningful, justification.
Amazingly, there seem to be no effective checks on such special sections, be they federal or state based. They can achieve ultimate safety of regulated substances by making their use near impossible and in the process they fleece the end-users, in this case mostly are hospitals and universities. These are the very institutions that have already been pummeled into dysfunction by federal policies and budgets. Since specialized sections, such as Radiation Health, hold all applicable expertise within a Department, there appears to be no effective supervision of their activities.
I ask the Queensland Minister of Health to rescind relevant legislation affecting uranyl acetate: it was never required, it is counter-productive and is hindering commerce unreasonably and is at odds with Queensland Government policy to promote business. I also urge the Minister to review the functions of that Radiation Health Section. From my knowledge, it appears that the section's only truly needed function is the inspection of radiation equipment (not including visiting nuclear submarines, which is a demonstrable waste of money).
I request that the Federal Minister for Health obtain independent advice on the functions of the Radiation Health Section, particularly the requirement to obtain permits. (The United States does not have a permit requirement for uranyl acetate). Also any fees charged by that section should be in line with current government policy. Currently the situation can only be described as a free-for-all, with sections charging unconscionable fees for non-required services.
Clearly, co-ordination between State and Federal Departments is lacking and this is deplorable. I request that the writers of the "ministerials" do not further waste my time by excruciatingly restating departmental policies. The whole point of this communication is that current policy in regard to substances like uranyl acetate is defective and /or not properly implemented.
I ask for a meaningful response.
Sincerely
Jim Darley
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| Michael.Wooldridge.MP | copy to: | Ms Jenny Macklin MP |
| Minister for Health | Shadow Minister for Health | |
| Parliament House | Parliament House | |
| Canberra ACT 2600 | Canberra ACT 2600 | |
| and | ||
| The Hon. Wendy Edmond | copy to: | The Hon. Fiona Simpson |
| Minister for Health | Opposition Spokesperson for Health | |
| Parliament House | Parliament House | |
| Alice Street | Alice Street | |
| Brisbane 4000 | Brisbane 4000 | |
17 January 2001
Dear Minister Wooldridge,
Re: Radiation Health, redundant Permits and unjustifiable costs
Two days ago I received the reply to my letter of the 5 December, a copy is attached for convenience. You had reasonably passed my letter to the CEO of ARPANSA for reply. Unfortunately the reply is at best incompetent - if not mischievous, a deliberate avoidance of the issues raised and a waste of all of our time.
ARPANSA's letter is simply a statement of some of their duties and their relation with State counterparts. I did not request a restatement of departmental policies; rather I suggested that some of the policies are defective and should be changed. Here are excerpts from my previous letter that are clearly applicable to ARPANSA and these items should have been addressed, but were pointedly ignored.
Regulate, in this context, clearly includes your required permits, which were introduced prior to the 1999 Queensland Act; also those permits are required if small quantities of uranyl acetate are ordered from users in States where small quantities of uranyl acetate are not regulated.
For years all of Australia did very well without any permits. I suggest that the import of small quantities (25g U) of expensive, depleted, soluble uranium compounds never required any permit Federal or State, since it never posed any danger from misuse or abuse and certainly none that a permit may have prevented. It would make some sense to unify State requirements in regards to the regulation of radioactive substances. Clearly, it’s the Federal Government that has to assume leadership in that regard. ARPANSA's stance to enforce all relevant State regulations, however unrealistic they may be and without warning the State departments of their impact, is an avoidance of duty.
2 "Worse still, government departments have found permits a handy means of raising additional funds. The fees for uranyl acetate permits cannot be justified in any way in the context of current Department of Finance & Administration policy: that whenever possible, costs must be based on competitively based tendering. Also, the cost of any such permit should be based on marginal cost only and not an arbitrary figure attractive to the Department. I submit that our business provides for the cost of such a scarcely justifiable permit, hugely greater services to our clients."
ARPANSA charges $130.00 for an import permit for any size shipment. If I could not operate a permit-issuing business for $20.00 per permit, I suggest that I deserve to go out of business. What is the point of government policies when departments continue to use permits and other papers to raise funds?
3 "I request that the Federal Minister for Health obtain independent advice on the functions of the Radiation Health Section, particularly the requirement to obtain permits. (The United States does not have a permit requirement for uranyl acetate)."
It is not surprising that the CEO of ARPANSA chose not to reply to this point either. Why should the narrow interests of a division within a department determine policy? Ultimately any not truly required, but nonetheless demanded and also all over-priced government "services" detract from the Nation's competitiveness, adds to the cost of living and to the cost of conducting business.
I received a meaningless response and apparently ARPANSA is not willing to embrace change. I urge the Minister to seek independent advice, as his organization, curiously, does not perceive the raised issues to be in their interest.
Sincerely
Jim Darley

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| The Hon. Wendy Edmond | copy to: | The Hon. Fiona Simpson |
| Minister for Health | Opposition Spokesperson for Health | |
| Parliament House | Parliament House | |
| Alice Street | Alice Street | |
| Brisbane 4000 | Brisbane 4000 | |
| and | ||
| Michael.Wooldridge.MP | copy to: | Ms Jenny Macklin MP |
| Minister for Health | Shadow Minister for Health | |
| Parliament House | Parliament House | |
| Canberra ACT 2600 | Canberra ACT 2600 | |
31 January 2001
Dear Minister, re: M1091217; 4005-0181-015
Re: Radiation Health, redundant Permits and unjustifiable costs
A few days ago I received a letter pretending to be a reply to my previous letter to you (5/12/2000). Considering that major resources within any department are devoted to "ministerials", it is absolutely astonishing that such an incompetent meaningless and off-the-topic reply was allowed to leave the department. Worse still, since these letters are written by intelligent people, one can only conclude that the writer and others knew that their letter failed to address the issues, but they proceeded and posted those three pages of meaningless drivel over the Minister's signature.
The only aspect worth commenting on, is the assertion of "prior consultation with stakeholders". Most emphatically, we were not consulted and we don't know of anybody who has been. Neither was the legislation introduced after "deep and meaningful" research - to wit: the legislation is totally impractical and totally out-of-step with similar legislation, not only in Queensland but anywhere around the world.
Your Radiation Health Unit evidentially drafted the legislation; they are not the people to advise or draft "ministerials" on the topic of that offensive legislation. I would suggest that you should find an independent person, perhaps a university physicist, to review my complaint. I should again note that the item in question is very minor in terms of sales and I would prefer to forget about that item. However, our major customers have an important, but small requirement for uranyl acetate and we must render that service. I believe that any intelligent grade eight student, after reading our posting
www.proscitech.com/uranyl.asp would understand that the current legislative requirements are cumbersome, don't cover greater radiation dangers, expensive in time and money, add nothing in safety and hinder commerce (if we operated from any other State we would have no State restrictions).I again request that you initiate a meaningful reply to my letter of 5 December 2000.
Sincerely
Jim Darley

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The Hon. Michael Wooldridge MP Minister for Health Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600 |
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Ms Jenny Macklin MP Shadow Minister for Health Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600 |
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Senator the Hon Grant Tambling Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Health and Aged Care Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600 and The Hon. Wendy Edmond Minister for Health Parliament House Alice Street Brisbane 4000 |
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The Hon. Fiona Simpson Opposition Spokesperson for Health Parliament House Alice Street Brisbane 4000 9 July 2001 |
Dear Ministers and Senator,
Re: Radiation Health, redundant permits and unjustifiable costs; my letter 5 December 2000 and various replies. All correspondence and technical explanatory notes are posted at http://www.proscitech.com/uranyl.asp This is a well-visited and advertised site.
Unfortunately all replies were totally unsatisfactory and none answered the clearly put questions.
The points made to the Federal Government in relation to the importation of Uranyl Acetate were:
1 Your permit system is not serving any apparent useful purpose. The safety of importing and distributing small quantities of this expensive substance, which contains 12g of depleted uranium/25g jar of UA, never has been compromised and certainly is not improved through permits. DU is useless for the manufacture of nuclear bombs and the main danger from water soluble UA is in fact chemical toxicity. What is the rationale for requiring a permit for such small quantities of such an expensive and radiologically, not particularly dangerous, substance? Why do you not then similarly control smoke detectors, which after all are sold to private people who on average are more likely to pervert their use, which even includes the possibility of constructing a nuclear bomb.
2 At $130.00, the cost of a permit is absurdly high and is contrary to current government policy, whereby costs of permits and other fees must reflect the marginal cost of that "service". Why do you permit your Department to act contrary to stated Government policy?
3 The permit must now (because of inane Qld legislation) purchased by the end-user and applies to a purchase of up to two jars. Although the end-user has only a very small requirement for UA, the $130 fee is an inducement to import two jars, with a spare sitting on the shelf for perhaps two years; so the permit possibly decreases safety.
4 Since both State and Federal laws govern the importation and sale/use of radioactive substances, there are differing requirements within Australia. Furthermore, it is now obvious that some of the individual jurisdictions have insufficient resources or nous to formulate policy and well-considered legislation. Consequently, overall efficacy suffers. It would be in the interest of good governance if the Federal Government assumed a leadership role and negotiated with the States to assume the policy and lawmaker functions in regards to radioactive substances.
Minister Wooldridge had my letter answered by Dr John Loy of ARPANSA. Dr Loy failed to address a single point that I made in relation to Federal matters, but he pointed out that the particularly onerous legislation was by the Queensland Government and that I should address my complaint to them. Thanks for nothing. I knew that and that was spelled-out in my original letter, but where was your justification of YOUR grasping and time-wasting policies?
I again wrote to Minister Wooldrige and received a reply from Senator Tambling; this may have been reasonable, except that his letter was a reply to my first letter and was just a reiteration of Dr Loy’s earlier letter. Dr Loy and Senator Tambling's letters were just a waste of time. I expect that Senator Tambling was misled on the issues and was not given the full correspondence.
Queensland's Minister Wendy Edmond’s reply is more complex and initially identifies the issues correctly, but point by point, the reply is a non sequitur.
What does the Minister mean when making the claim: "The Queensland community has a justifiable expectation that the Minister of Health will institute regulations of a high standard to protect. . . ." This is a vacuous statement that may ring in Parliament, however, I was writing on a technical matter and provided details why the discussed legislation is inept. I believe that I deserve a reply concerning the facts of the matter. The Minister may have received letters from constituents who are concerned about nuclear waste, power stations, submarines and perhaps even jumbo jets, which carry trim ballast of 370kg of depleted uranium.
25g of uranyl acetate (12g of depleted uranium), which when packet (jar, Al envelope + tin can) emits radiation scarcely above background levels and much less than one smoke detector or a TV.
Minister, where are the letters asking that 25g of Uranyl acetate, destined to scientific laboratories, should be treated like a powerful X-ray generation device, or a 10,000kg shipment of "Yellow Cake", which radiologically and in chemical toxicity is much like uranyl acetate? Did citizens demand that shifting of a few radioactive rocks should require a permit? Do you have letters asking that Queensland's radiation standards should be considerable more stringent than those employed right around the world and every other Australian State? Where are those letters or did you just make an idle statement?
Minister, how would safety be improved by your legislation? Users used to order one new jar of UA and when that was running low, they would order a new one. Now, because of the permit cost (thanks ARPANSA and Queensland's "Radiation Health"), they now order two jars. There is more UA sitting on shelves now because of your legislation. Please give me ONE reasoned argument how your legislation has improved safety in relation to the importation and use of UA. I know the issues and the material and all I can see is that your Department has increased costs and effort required, but I know of no improvement in safety which is attributable to your 1999 legislation, certainly as pertaining to UA.
I understand that radiation safety officers in Queensland have numerous problems with the new legislation - it's not just the UA issue. Just one example: radiation sources employed for the production of X-rays in analytical equipment is used in mining and other analytical laboratories. These sources are dangerous and to ensure that the source matrix was not falling apart, a wipe test was used when the device was ten years old. The wiper was then sent away for testing. Now the entire X-ray source has to be shipped. The greatest danger from any such materials is in transit. Furthermore, a mine site cannot operate without the source for any length of time. So rather than obtaining a 5-year extension of the license for the source, it's now more likely to be scrapped. The result of your legislation is: more dangerous shipping of truly dangerous materials, much greater cost to laboratories and more, truly hazardous radioactive waste.
Your legislation was not written after extensive consultation, but was largely made up by your officers who seemingly are not in tune with real advances of safety issues and the requirements of a modern economy. It is absurd to expect that small business managers and radiation safety officers would scan newspapers for proposed legislation. Your department knew most of the users and importers of radioactive materials; why then did they fail to notify these people well in advance, which would have allowed discussion to optimize proposed legislation. Why the statement that your Department did consult widely? They did not.
There is a certain naiveté in your assertion that "you accept the department's advice that UA and other unsealed uranium compounds . . . ." First, as far as this trader is concerned, the UA is supplied as a sealed device and is only opened in the laboratory (to import and store a maximum of two x 25g UA, we were to be required to have a nuclear store and a safety officer and more). I note that a smoke detector is less sealed than our UA and they are available in unlimited quantities to complete non-experts. Second, why Minister, did you fail to accept my advice: your department had instigated the bad legislation and now is in no position to retract. It's obvious that you could not obtain any unbiased opinions on these matters from your staff. So why did you not ask some well-established radiation safety officer at a large university or some radiation expert at ANSTO or with the CSIRO about your legislation?
I have dealt with the relative danger of UA on our business website. This information has been posted there for many months and I have invited your department to refute my claims or to correct any wrong information; no such correspondence has been received. If your legislation is practical and would improve safety, then surely your experts could have pointed out why that would be so. If your legislation is sound, then surely other States and countries would follow and adopt some of the salient points, but this has not happened. Good laws would treat substances according to their intrinsic danger. I suggest if your legislation was consistent, then jumbo-jets should never be allowed to land in Queensland and smoke detectors should be illegal, or at least subject to permits and in any case, they should not be available to the common public. There is also a case for banning TV sets and computer monitors in Queensland; all of these items only require a screwdriver to open, just like a can of UA.
Thus far I have received a lot of words, but not one reasonable letter in reply to my letters on this issue. Considering the appalling responses, I now wonder why government departments employ a multitude of writers for the "ministerials"? These professional writers are intelligent and can follow the issues. Yet those replies would have failed any high school's English exam, for not addressing the issues. Why do Ministers allow their reputation to be compromised by signing replies that are totally inept on the issues, but allow a department to maintain the status quo in regards to non-sensible departmental policies or legislation?
A reasonable reply (from the Federal Department), which would not entrench bad departmental customs and policies, could have made these points:
1 I am asking the Department's Secretary to explain to you and me in logic how the permits will benefit good governance; if he is unable to do so I'll instruct him to scrap those permits.
2 I am asking the Department's Secretary to justify the $130.00 permit fee. That fee must be in accord with current Government policy and reflect the actual cost (not including the Department’s on cost) involved in administering the permit system. I understand your concern and assure you that I will not tolerate my Department charging greater than reasonable commercial fees for services rendered. (Otherwise credence is given to the prevailing view that government is less efficient than private enterprise; which is true only if we are poor managers!)
3 It makes obvious sense to have a single Australia-wide policy concerning such technical and commercial matters as the regulation of radiation health. To achieve that we would have to obtain agreement with all States, though it would be possible to leave out an uncooperative State. In any case, this requires carefully considered legislation and co-operation, but this is a worthwhile project and I have instructed my Department to move towards that goal.
Has any Minister ever signed a satisfactory reply to a meritorious letter, which however had shown departmental policies to be badly flawed?
There is one final question for Minister Wendy Edmond: How do you reconcile your radiation health legislation with your Premier's highest policy objective, which is the increase in employment? Your legislation makes the use of any radioactive substance or X-ray device in Queensland considerably more expensive and time-consuming, apparently with no gains in safety to offset these costs. Why should hi-tech and mining companies and research laboratories not regard your legislation as a negative point when deciding in which State to establish their facility? Your poorly considered legislation is a considerable impediment to commerce and science. It has been costly to my business and additionally I had to contend with some appalling reasoning in reply.
Good business and good politics are logical.
I would still like to receive a constructive and meaningful response from somebody in politics.
Sincerely
Jim Darley